I wired it all up and the unit lit up but I could get no sound out of it whatsoever. But if you don't, what is your reference point? I've also learned that a DAC's performance will depend heavily on the music player. With two prime DACs, the MSB Discrete yields an unprecedented level of detail that reproduces the musicality, soundstage and texture of an original performance, bringing the artist to you. As I said, its an odd one to describe but you do hear it as it brings a sense of rightness to rhythm tracks. 2. That's just too money for the performance. The good DS (delta sigma) dacs that aren't hard or harsh, are a bit of a yawn, and lack bringing out the life (boogie factor) of the music, but in a . You are using an out of date browser. I have heard a lot of top DACs at shows or other systems but not in my own. Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by mtoc, Jun 9, 2016. All rights reserved. Site Founder | Site Owner | Administrator. Look, says I theres obviously a fault with this unit as its lighting up, I can see it on the network and I can send tunes to it via the Stack streamer and Roon! We went through everything and I was getting ready to pack it up and send it back when I reached around the back of one of the PSUs and switched it on MUSIC!!! Of the ones you mentioned I'd be most tempted by the Emm Labs DAC 2x though if you can get a used higher-end Esoteric, you should jump on it. a year ago I got the new Renderer V2 which was a step up over USB. The DAVE DAC does not perform anywhere near where it should. However, the extra PSU does add to the cost considerably! Up to 8X DSD At this kind of price, it puts Chord DAVE as being direct competition and I said that DAVE was the best DAC Id heard back in 2018. I would,however, like to say we are highly selective over the brands we represent and believe they are excellent value. Since this forum is mainly USA based and we are in the UK, I have very little to gain business wise here. Founded in 2010 Whats Best Forum invites intelligent and courteous people of all interests and backgrounds to describe and discuss the best of everything. Theyre not limited by audio formats, sample rates, or even speed. And differences at that level can be good. That's the negative to going my route I guess. Ultimately, reducing noise in a system or improving room acoustics can have a bigger effect. Chord states "DAVE is the most advanced DAC we have ever made. Couldn't agree more. SoundLab A1Px's, ARC REF40, VTL Siegfired II, cj GAT2, cj ART, DCS Vivaldi 2.0 stack, Taiko Audio SGM Extreme, TechDas AF1+ , Graham Phamtom III, Sumiko Palo Santos, vdH Black Beauty, ARC Phono 3, Studer A80, Crystal Dreamline, Transparent Audio Ref XL digital and Ref Gen V power cables, CenterStage footers, Nordost Qkore6' s and QB8's! When I have done the comparison with other DACs I have had at the same time - Ayre QX5-Twenty, EAR Dac 4, exasound e32 - often the immediate impression is that DAVE/Blu 2 is not quite as good - a bit dryer sounding, not quite as smooth, not as airy or three dimensional And yet, over the longer term, it is deeply satisfying at a musical level in a way that the other DACs are not. Nothing was amiss. What did you think with the Chord Dave vs Emm Labs Dac2x? CH Precision C1 DAC. The DAC has two modes; multi-bit PCM and single-bit discrete DSD mode. What ice cream do you prefer? Like others said, I'd try first an MScaler with DAVE. UPnP Protocol It would be absolute suicide for an audio distributor to But of course, I love window shopping and perusing top tier systems including illustrious more familiar gear like Lampi, TD, MSB, Ares Cerat, Aqua. How r they comparing to the MSB Select 2 and Trinity? You must log in or register to reply here. Both DACs connected directly to power amp using each DACs volume controle. Astrostar here, said it completely blew away any dac he had before, and mind you, he has the entry level AC model. Sounds shrill on my workstation and work laptop. personal preference. Powered by Invision Community. let me know when it's on, I'll make my way down if I can. which make some people prefer this one to MSB Select II Point 85 Chord Dave and Mscaler (or Blue II transport) This one give transparent and 3D soundstage with excellent details. Is it better than the Chord DAVE that I raved about a few years ago? They're very back ordered and are a pro unit with balanced only outputs and no remote but oh my do they sound spectacular. To my ears it makes music sound unnatural. Whats Best Forum is THE forum for high end audio, product reviews, advice and sharing experiences on the best of everything else. There ain't no Coupe deVille hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack Box. You might want to consider adding one of Chord's Upscalers, either Hugo M scaler , or the Blu Mk. Dave gets a "thumbs up" overall from me though. What I do know is that the MSB brings an excellent level of performance by way of neutrality to a system that allows other parts of the system to do their thing its sort of the digital equivalent of a very (very) good cartridge. Copyright Hifi Pig and Hifi Pig Magazine, Big Pig Media LLP. While were committed to long lasting products that hold their value, we realize audio systems are always evolving. conversation. The modular nature of MSB products allows you to have the bits you want and leave out those you dont, The display is a bit basic but it does what it needs to and you can see it from the other side of the room, Detail and transparency are the main features, Allows a real insight into the makeup of a track, Brings a sense of timing being bang on the money, Detail isnt a result of the higher frequencies being artificially pushed, Both PSUs are not absolutely necessary but once you remove one you want to put the other back in. Mike, Scott has been absolutely wonderful in his support, despite my purchasing the Found-Music 2A3s used (from Art S.) He has visited once and is planning another visit after the trip your way. As the noise in my system keeps getting lower, the PM2 keeps reaching deeper to find even more musical engagement and purity in standard 16/44 files. The world's largest high-end audio community. After reading that review, and remembering the reverence APL had back in the day, alongside the Stahl Tek and Trinity dacs that were the heavy hitters 10-15 yrs ago, I was just curious as to whether . Up to 32 bit 768kHz I'd also look at the Mola-Mola Tambaqui and the new dCS Bartok. comparing top dacs directly is a bit challenging, even if you have them both together. The MSB Discrete DAC is an American made Digital to Analogue Converter costing 11,000 plus an extra 1650 for the second external power supply. My friend who owns the Diamond DAC IV prefers the MSB. But the majority of the time all 6 of Always use!! Actual auditioning of the unit prior to purchase is paramount. Analogue Volume Control 1dB from 0 to 106 Deactivable by menu, Dimensions ChassisWidth : 432 mmDepth: 305 mmHeight without feet: 51 mm. RCA outputs with the optional output module Voltage: 3.57 Vrms Maximum Impedance > 600 High Gain setting. For sure with Hugo and Qutenot even debatable. had if for 2 years now. I cant help with comparisons of two of these DACs, but I did hear the Tambaqui up against the dCS Bartok and it was a pretty close call, but ultimately the dCS sounded more analogue and more immersive, I have heard the Dave and EMM Labs DAC2x up against aMakua that I subsequently purchased. The end result is a digital experience defying expectations. Mola Mola is another well built great sounding Many of these were already in a shootout on Audiogon with the same requirements - has to sound stellar on 16/44.1 tracks: I agree that the DAVE plus Blu 2 is spectacular, but not in a "hi fi" sense. Since opening our doors in 1986, weve been driven by one goal: to craft an unrivaled listening experience for music lovers across the globe. It could sound analytical or hot coupled with bright combination of speaker and amplifier. This effect was evident on track after track but didnt feel like it was overly exaggerated. That statement makes sense in an analog paradigm. Guess what I am trying to say is: preamps are important. The other thing I've learned about the Chord Dave is it can sound very different depending on the interconnect and/or power cord used. You could try some of the newer dacs that has gotten good reviews. This is the main advantage of DAVE (i.e. One of the things I jotted down in my notes during this time was the sense of scale the Discrete brought to the music I was listening to big music sounded BIG and more intimate recordings had their own scale too. It's my understanding that the Wavedream only What is available on models higher up the MSB food chain is the ability to add an analogue module so that you can use the unit as a true preamplifier and DAC. I don't have that kind of money. Whether its a software update or a leading-edge modular component, were here to help the most valued aspect of MSBour customers. I agree with what you are saying but "far too often" the Looks like your budget goes up to ~$20k? I submit dealers use the statement "component X competes against much more expensive components" far too often. http://www.computeraudiophile.com/members/mikejazz/, funded this campain: http://igg.me/at/geekpulseaudio/x/5216671. The Chord DAVE was also on my list, but I decided to pass (my Chord retailer was very 'pushy' and not helpful). Wherever I read I see unanimous praise for the MSB Select II. The BADA Ref is a great DAC and I understand the new version takes it to even another level. Nice. But dont take our word for it. It may not display this or other websites correctly. There seemed to be a little more separation of instruments in the mix of whatever I was listening to than with the LAB12 DAC and Pre in the signal path and a slightly leaner edge to the music more clearly etched, perhaps? And I make Best DAC Quality Ranking list. Jon Hopkins Music For Psychedelic Therapy was a beautifully enveloping experience, made all the more so as sounds come and go in the soundstage in a somewhat more solid way than without the usual DAC. Now to include the HMS. Putting price aside, what are your thoughts about the Hugo TT as an integrated DAC+amp? I havent heard the Rockna. If you go reference you will never look back. It seems to me that manufacturers are jacking up the price for the perception of quality. For example, the chassis for the products are made from North American-sourced metals, and then that is machined using Haas CNC machines that are built in California. 1 - MSB Discrete 2 - dCS Bartok 3 - Mola Mola Tambaqui 4 - Chord DAVE (add the M Scaler later) 5 - Keep my Ayre QX-5 Twenty, do nothing Thanks! The Merriam-Webster online dictionary tells me that the definition of high-fidelity (HiFi) is the reproduction of an effect (such as sound or an image) that is very faithful to the original and it would seem to be reasonable to assume that this is the goal of audiophiles around the world. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. auditioned the Rockna Wavedream Edition DAC. Too objective for subjectivists; too subjective for objectivsts. The USB module is completely electrically isolated and is again a standalone module capable of 32 bit#768kHz, MQA decoding and 8X DSD. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile. Once you add the second discrete PS, and a module or two for it to work, the price goes over $23-24K. the Extreme has some special optimization for USB. In comparison to spdif which feels more 3D but relatively smaller sound stage, with better separation, vocals are more focused/accurate, everything sounds more evenly balanced. It would have been a different outcome though with the Cyrus pre-amp I previously owned, which cast a veil over everything. and our ears are completely different. Its weighty, it feels perfect, its not overly ostentatious and its perfect! I suppose that the vast majority of people who listen for pleasure at home are looking for a balance between the two, and whilst I still maintain we are most likely to hear the biggest effect in a system by changing transducers, every element in the chain of sound will affect the final sound and, in a digital system, I think the DAC you choose can have a huge effect on the final sound. subjective to a point and that is why we do blind testing and A/B testing with Personally we have A/B 76 different digital front ends.. Elegant yet commanding, our finishes are available in a matte silver or matte black anodize. I could not so, after 2 years of trying, I bought it. The evolution of the original irreverent and irrelevant and non-authoritative site for headphone measurements, i.e. Once populated, the circuit boards are made into modules and then placed inside the casework. I have great synergy in my system and see no reason to listen to every new DAC out there. Do diamonds shine on the dark side of the moon? Cs | Critical Mass CS2s -> components, Isoacoustics -> speakers + subs | Adona Eris II rack on Herbie's titanium footers | Fully treated and dedicated 2 channel room. I'm looking for suggestions on DACs I should listen to as possible replacement of my Chord Dave. I can only comment on the Emm labs, if u can get a DA2 I think you will be happy "An audiophile is only done when they go to the great brick and mortar store in the sky" Ron Resnick I mean is it audibly noticeable? I did have the BADA Ref in my system for a short audition, and the Trinity And CH Precision C1 for a longer stay during a previous iteration of my system. Well build a personalized offer for your existing MSB products that count towards a new DAC or amplifier. Btw, my MSB friend and I used the internal analog preamp for MSB and built-in digital preamp for DAVE. DAC Comparison Reference DAC Modules 4x Hybrid DAC Clock The Femto 33 Digital Inputs 4x User Replaceable Input Slots Optical and Coaxial input module Included Analog Outputs Preamp XLR Output Module - 150 Impedance RCA output available with external adapter Analog Inputs XLR Analog Expansion Modules RCA or XLR Input RCA or XLR Output The Prime DAC Module. Im participating to both learn and make suggestions where I have experience that may help. This DAC is 11,000 and as such, it is a considerable investment to make, but I would suggest that this is not stupid money for the kind of transparency and clarity it brings. fake by any means necessary jacket. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Complete electrical isolation Although I would like to keep this as close to $10-12K as possible. Never say never, but I reckon 99.9% of folk would get to the Discretes level of performance and not be able to justify another 110K to achieve, what I am guessing would be marginal gains though I have not experienced the Select and so cannot say for sure that this would be the case and it may be a total revelation is sonic engineering. Anyway, the little bit of extra detail on the strings, the attack, and decay are all there to be heard and its a marvelous thing to listen to. dCS Bartok>Chord DAVE>MSB discrete discreteR2R R2R DAVE BartokdCSBartok This ranking is just my subjective thinking. JavaScript is disabled. This is a dealers email comment to me about comparisons he did. Its headphone amplifier is good but no match for higher powered units. have had the opportunity to A/B many more pieces of equipment than any consumer For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Sonically it is very much as its name suggests and converts files faithfully and without loss or (importantly) embellishment. Can I ask how you procured all those DACs? The best upgrade for Dave easy. It is a manual step which I forgot. How does the PS Audio DirectStream DAC compare to the Chord DAC? At MSB, we believe excellence is a promise worth keeping. ), Chord Hugo 2 Review (Portable DAC & HP Amp), DAC Noise Modulation: Chord DAVE vs Topping DX7 Pro+, Digital To Analog (DAC) Reviews and Discussion, Amplifiers, Phono preamp, and Analog Audio Review. I say take what everyone post when a grain of salt, because an individual's preference may be different than yours. First I want to say that I fully agree that the hobby is retail client forgets that most audio stores and audio distribution companies I found it big bold brash and dynamic but hard cold glary and fatiguing - all the old fashioned things I hated about early digital. lastly; what I compare my MSB Select II to every day is my top level vinyl and top level reel to reel tape. The Discrete Power Supply feeds the DAC with dual low-noise power streams that are linear and independent. Founded in 2010 Whats Best Forum invites intelligent and courteous people of all interests and backgrounds to describe and discuss the best of everything. Im getting a bit away from the review proper, but Im sure you can see why I have added that little diversion. other dacs I have enjoyedin no particular order; I would not call this second tier; but I prefer what hear from my Select II to what Ive heard from these. It features the very best conversion technology available, using proprietary techniques never seen before, making DAVE the most advanced DAC/preamp amplifier in the world. 2. It doesnt get too hot to touch. I'm looking for suggestions between $10K - $12K. Digital inputs : RCA coax, AES/EBU XLR, 2x Toslink optical, 2x module slots, word . I dont know as that was years ago and I dont have one here to test against. Sablon Audio King/Prince power cords throughout. I do however like the i2S connection better than any other this was how I originally decided to purchase the Select II as I was trying to hear another dac at shows that could do what I heard the Select II doing at a lower price. But it need good system matching. Chord Dave DAC "Sealed Box Brand New" Never Opened !! There are some tonal differences too, but what you prefer will depend on your other equipment and the music you like. An FPGA does not have analog output, in the Chord DACs, VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623, : SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels, http://igg.me/at/geekpulseaudio/x/5216671. MSB thrives off the innovation required to meet consumer demands. Thirdly, having suggested that the brightness issue may lay elsewhere, I will shortly post a suggested tweak directly to both HMS and DAVE - that I have found to increase the "weight", "solidity" and "analogueness" of the resulting sound. It seems to take in zeros and ones and then somehow make sense of these and just convert them into faithful reproductions of the recording though me not being at the recording of any of the records I listened to, thats my assumption coming into play. - Up to 32 bit - 768kHz. personal preference." I have the Berkeley Alpha Reference DAC, waiting for an upgrade. CH Precision mono dac with clock and 3 power supplies (7 boxes)----its more spendy---$150k, Merging Technologies NADAC w/power supply and clock---much better now with the clock and power supply upgrades than my previous experience.----around $60k. Over the air updates will ensure that your renderer always has the latest capabilities and ultimate convenience. Chord Dave Replacement. Specifications: Type: Digital to analogue converter with volume control. In my assessment the Makua offered a more open and spacious sound. You could spend less and get close to the sound of this DAC, for sure. Watts is avidly not reading this in anticipation of the video version he won't watch. Supported Formats (Depending on Input) 44.1 kHz to 3.072kHz PCM up to 32 bits 1xDSD, 2xDSD, 4xDSD, 8xDSD Accepts DSD via DoP on all inputs, Digital Inputs 1x RCA Coaxial 1x XLR 1x Word-Sync Out 2x Toslink 2x Isolated slots for optional modules, XLR Outputs Voltage: 3.57 Vrms Maximum Impedance 300 High Gain setting Impedance 150 Low Gain setting. Different songs will sound better with different sources - Different horses for different courses. @ricred1, I would like to suggest you take a look at the Mola Mola Tambaqui when it arrives later this month I understand. SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 256-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical--Bricasti M3 DAC--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. Digital Audio Forum: DAC, Transports, Digital Processing Forum, 4x20A circuits | Audioquest Niagara 3000 | Paul Hynes SR4T + HDPlex HD500 PSUs -> Music PC w/JCAT XE nic, HQPlayer, Roon, Tidal / Qobuz | HDPlex HD100 PSU -> OCX clock + EtherRegen | Aqua Acoustic Quality LinQ streamer | Aqua Acoustic Quality Formula xHD Rev. This is a company that is All American and fiercely proud of that fact. Fixed. Your web browser does not support iFrames. I think is a good general rule of thumb, but there are some very transparent passive pre-amps out there. StereoNET (Australia) is part of an international network of publications owned wholly by Sound Media Group (Australia). but with digital things change quickly, and a month ago I got a new server, the SGM Extreme. If I want to build a complicated system, I won't consider DAVE because for the position of DAC, I can choose from other brands (Totaldac, NADAC, Rockna, Prismsound 8XR etc) at the same price. frequency response graphs, CSD waterfall plots, subjective gear reviews. Will do. How does it compare? We used PCM (16/44,1 to 24/192) and DSD 64 and 128 for the comparioson. What else should one expect? What effect does reconstruction filter have? When we set out to make the MSB remote, the design was built from the ground up. comes down to knowing what you are actually trying to achieve in a high end Amplification: Cyrus Mono x300Signatures. The SQ from DAC headphone output is lower than the best headphone amplifier but that kind of amplifier costs close to DAVE itself. Pass Labs INT-60. Its a clever thing meaning that their products are repairable and upgradeable for example, you can have a card that is set up for single-ended outputs or balanced XLR outputs (for review we have the balanced version). It's just more financially viable to me for the performance and price ratio. 2 are upscalers , not upsamplers. I don't understand why Chord DACs have to be so damn ugly! I agree with your statement. After that you are GOLDEN. - Roon Endpoint. For such a high entry price I wouldn't take the gamble to go on some recommendation by a stranger whose tastes I don't know. But digital, potentially, can change things. Did you audition all of them in the same place with the same system? MSB DACs also use a processing chip to handle oversampling and digital filtering (not sure if this chip is an FPGA or other type processing chip, but it is a high speed digital processing chip). Ps Audio Directstream Dac Vs Auralic Vega Founded in 2004, Games for Change is a 501(c)3 nonprofit that empowers game creators and social innovators to drive real-world impact through games and immersive media Here is the list : Trinity Designs [Trinity DAC] TotalDAC [d1-Six] Aqua Acoustic Quality [Formula xHD] MSB Technology [Select DAC II Full Option . Like x 5 List 1 Link to comment Share on other sites. I just heard DAVE directly connected to MacBook Pro via USB without any expensive cables, headphone amplifier, power conditioner. Yeah, im thinking a post lock-down GTG is in order. My wife said it The Premier is a super-high-resolution, completely silent, utterly dynamic component that lets music flow through it less hindered than through anything else I've heard. As you mentioned imaging better, incredible PRaT with MSB. Still, it's the way I prefer at this stage. "To be 100% honest we have A/B tested most of the dacs mentioned Would I pay extra for the second supply? Almost all gear I hear is pretty good and some are great but the most expensive ones are not universally the best to my ears. But in the specific case of the BADA and PM2, if you wish for me to be more precise, then taking into account that I only had the BADA ref for a very short time, the bottom line was that I didn't feel at the time that the difference between the PM2 in my system was significant enough to make it worth the energy to change components or the potential financial loss involved in a trade. The Discrete DAC Features - MSB Technology The Discrete DAC Refined sound. You must log in or register to reply here. I haven't heard MSB or theDenafrips DAC. I'm looking for suggestions between $10K - $12K. Perhaps you should consider the Accuphase DC-37 currently for sale in the classifieds? will every hear. Up to 32 bit 768kHz Of course this DAC is super pricey and out of the reach of many (including me). Compared to some other similarly priced DACs ($10 - $15k MSRP) I prefer the Discrete with 2 Discrete PS. Others might disagree but these are my findings. And the Jeff Rowland Aeris DAC with new PSU. The MSB Discrete, as I mentioned, came with two power supplies but you can operate it with just one with the supplied doodad. Point 75 EmmLab Dac2 I paid 9K$ for this on 2010. We are prefer to keep our test results among ourselves. The jump from Six to Seven is rather large. I own the MSB Select II with the dual powerbases and 33 Femto Clock. You'll be shocked by how much you lose by going through a separate preamp. From beginners to life-long hobbyists to industry professionals, we enjoy learning about new things and meeting new people, and participating in spirited debates. EAR FILLERS HiFi Pig Playlists on Qobuz, Transatlantic Dispatches: A New World Disorder, Astell&Kern Launch Three New Products At High End Munich 2022. Unfortunately not, I'm going the second hand route as I've done with most of my setup. I understand that audio stores and distribution companies have the opportunity to A/B a significant amount of equipment. I auditioned a DAVE (not deconstructed) and TT2 and found all Chord products lacked the musicality of MSB. Of those, I've only heard the DAVE. I believe it comes down to The MSB DAC comes with one external PSU as standard. It's not just a matter of being polite, it's also about acknowledging that what we hear and what we prefer is uncertain and changes; that the comparisons were made at different points in time wherein my system had varying levels of resolution/ noise; the fact that making a change requires greater energy and usually more money than staying with what you have; and that sometimes the differences between components are not significant or actionable. I have Chord Dave and Blu2 too. Of course this DAC is super pricey and out of the reach of many (including me). @astewart8944--two years ago in Feb of 17 i did audition the original Formula dac in my system directly compared to the Lampizator GG 1.5 and the Nagra HD and preferred the Formula for its greater space, lower noise, and more neutral and fast presentation. The dCS Bartok was also interesting but, based on my research, I kept coming back to Bricasti. Sent from my SM-G928V using Computer Audiophile mobile app. Who knows ?! Our digital testing has been done over the last 20 + years Then we have the Integrated Clock module and Im starting to get the whole modular approach to the design of the MSB DAC. No matter what ice cream you prefer, I prefer something else. An FPGA does not have analog output, in the Chord DACs, the FPGA handles digital processing only, not conversion from digital to analog. Right now my favorite music player is from the same manufacturer of the Phasure NOS1a DAC: Stealth LPS running XXHighEnd software; again with the same caveat that I haven't heard a lot of the other highly regarded music players in my system. Cs | Critical Mass CS2s -> components, Isoacoustics -> speakers + subs | Adona Eris II rack on Herbie's titanium footers | Fully treated and dedicated 2 channel room. It features the very best conversion technology available, using proprietary techniques never seen before, making DAVE the most advanced DAC/preamp amplifier in the world. I'm looking for suggestions on DACs I should listen to as possible replacement of my Chord Dave. I expected a lot better. It is just as important as the DAC itself. I have personally not observed this - with either the DAVE or my Mojo. Let us do the work of refurbishing and finding your current electronics a new hometheyll continue to be enjoyed for years to come. I would just add budget and the other components in the system are major factors to consider. This is purely speculation based on browsing the internet over the years and internalising pro/con reviews from users. Congratulations on the upgrade and enjoy it in good health. But even with great preamps, a great DAC in a low noise environment, will produce a more transparent sound going direct to the amps than through the preamp. sounds like a more transparent Chord Dave to my ears. Strangely, this new review is not displayed when you select the review folder on the homepage. https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9eh61-lampizator-pacific-da-converters, https://positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/lampizator-pacific-dac/, https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/subjective-grading-of-dac-that-i-had-heard-during-last-one-year-period.

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